TS-653D and QuTS Hero

I am trying to install QuTS hero on my TS-653D but the option does not show up on the initialization screen. I have tried a 10s reset and still no dice. The QTS version available is the latest one but it gives me no choice for hero, even though it’s supposed to be compatible.

When I look at the download site, and select this NAS model, it also doesn’t show the hero firmware available for download (for manual install via the initialization workflow). It’s making me think it’s actually NOT compatible even though previously it was said to be, did I screw up and do I have any option? I would like to run ZFS!

Correct the TS-653D is (currently) not compatible with QuTS

Where did you read that this NAS would get QutS ?

You would have to ask QNAP via ticket if and when that NAS would get QuTS.

As this is a legacy device now, chances are low. I think the only low end Celeron models to receive QuTs so far, are x64 ones.

There’s not a huge amount of difference between QTS and QuTS Hero anyhow. For most users, QTS should be fine. Hero does give you the ability to set up WORM folders where once you write something into the folder, it can’t be altered. The partition format is also quite different. It supports in-line compression and deduplication but these do take up processor resources. The biggest thing you would notice is that each shared folder is treated like its own volume. You can set space allocations for shared folders, etc.

I’m happy I updated to it but at the same time, it wasn’t “needed.”

Also, since your model does not support ECC ram, hero would be less desirable as a candidate for hero.

Well my thought is that ZFS protects my data better, is faster (r/w), AND doesn’t require the dreaded sync/scrub all the time. I think if that’s true I really would prefer it. I can no longer find where I read that 653D is supported, but I swore I found it on an official source (clearly maybe I did not). What’s unfortunate is that I just bought a JBOD enclosure [TL-800S], 2 SSDs to mirror for the base QNAP OS, and moved ALL my data onto temp drives just so that I could upgrade to Hero on my 653D! Such a bummer =(. I do all of my docker/software related things on a minipc so this is really just for storage and I run Immich (google photos, self hosted) - otherwise I’m happy for the machine to be dedicated to file service.

Any other ideas? I did message support too, but I guess at this point I’m forced to upgrade to a newer version? Shoot!

Is there a definitive list of older NAS’ that support Hero so far? I don’t want to shell out $800+ right now again to get it…

Unless you do some involved manual modification via SSH, the QNAP OS is always on all internal drives.

Besides the mentioned x64 devices (TS-264,TS-464,TBS-464 and TS-664) all QuTS devices have an ‘h’ in the name
e.g. TVS-h1288X

Do you recommend any model, 4bay w/ room for (2) 2.5" SSD, or 6-8 bay, Hero-compatible, with ECC compatibility too?

Take a look on eBay for what is out there and then see if the model supports Hero. I just bought a TVS-672XT with five 8 TB drives and one 6 TB drive for $500. It was worth it just for the drives alone! The TVS-672XT supports Hero as do plenty of others.

The x64 devices do not support ECC, the smallest 4bay one would be the TVS-472XT (forgot about those above)

after than you have the TVS-h674T

Be wary of tvs-?72 serirs. Early versions had bad Intel chip on motherboard that is likely to fail. You can check serial number with QNAP to see if that particular unit is vulnerable. We had a TVS-672N fail 3 months out of warranty. $899 for QNAP to replace MB.

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New devices ‘should’ have a higher production code than Q21 (allegedly fixed)

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He wants models with 2 ssd/

TS-h688 if you can find a used one (dicsontinued faster cpu model Xeon 1622) We had the slower version and sold it and bought the faster one for $900on ebay from someone that bought it and never usd it. The slower one might work for you if you don’t need a lot of cpu.

Both models I mention have two NVMe slots

He said 2.5 SSD. A lot of us don’t use M.2 because they are not hot swappable. Some at remote locations. You might be able to get an employee to swap an SSD over the phone but not to take the entire NAS apart.

I understood after reading tons of blogs that by plugging in and getting QTS/QuTS up and running with only (2) SSD or NVME installed would mean that the OS runs directly off those forever. Then I can plug new drives in and use those for storage. And it makes QTS/QuTS run WAY faster that way. is that false?

Then either a 6 bay NAS and use the first two for 2.5" drives or the smallest with dedicated 2.5" bays would be

Nope, no idea what you read, but the OS partitions will be automatically replicated to all internal drives

No, I have all flash systems that only boot/operate marginally faster than a mixed device (TBS-453BU & TBS-h574TX)

It’s all over reddit posts, shoot!

So are (2) SSDs really useful for anything if I’m mostly about bulk storage here? Should I even use them or return?

That is the model I was trying to recommend. Parkinson’s strikes again and I accidentally added a 1 in there. Original post edited. What I said about the cpu still applies.